Very interesting site, especially for some of us who were raised in a strong incest enviornment. I have been reading many of the experiences, and found some very close to home, but many too far to be more than fantasies or childish BS. My challenge is that my life has been touched by incest in some many ways (positive and negitive) that the complete story seems to sound to unbelievable to share.Hans has summed the after-effects for me, I have had to wrestle between the guilt of what has happened to me these past 40 years (including the effect on mine and others sex life) and the unbeliveable satisfaction in the comfort of my family. It is true that there is no better friend than those you have know all you lives. Sometimes that love and trust can open up oppertunities that create a safe love that has endless potential. Love that is not tied to bills, kids, work, jeliousy, and other committed relations bring. It becomes a free, open and frequent attempts to simply please each other without restrictions, payback, or limitations.I guess where I am going with this, there seems to be alot of “lust” discussions in many of the so-called experiences, but, from my past, it has really has been about love. Love that is confusing (and sometimes misguided) but safe. The early experimenting, questions, exposure, learning, all seemed to be safely approached and shared with those we were the closed around. The fact that there was a strong incest history around us (parents, friends, other parts of the family) did remove much of the stegma of the learning.The real value was the deep felt pleasure and the fasinating taboo that creates the nervious tingling sensation, thinking about it, leading up to it, doing it, and even watching TV or sleep together after it. The real impact has been the effects on our new (external) loved ones, as we keep searching for those same pleasures and comforts from others and always failing yourself and them.In summary, incest has been very fastinating and consuming for me, but also especially burdensome. I have never had any of these feelings or thoughts for my own children and would never support anyone else exposing them to incest. But it does breakdown to simple drivers that I would share with them, and others, on the best value in a partner. It is the natural closeness and trust that comes over time. To look for sibling type of commonality, but without the baggage of incest. So, I believe, that all of the relationship quality of incest can be found outside the family, if you focus and invest in the right partners. I will agree that you can not replace the taboo ment that I still get from it, but, again, that is also the consuming baggage.I do appologize for the lengthy rambling, I have needed to share with someone, and this site seemed to be the best forum to do so.Thanks, Beyondthenorm